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I'm Slavic and my mother's side of Family lived in USSR, She had to throw away her chance at a proper life in order to be able to help pay for her sibling's education by getting a job after finishing high school, and had to stand hours in line just to get some food. Socialism/communism is an unrealistic ideal and my mother has told me many stories about how she and her side of the family suffered because of that system. Although some aspects of socialism I.E. free healthcare work with a capitalist society, but a completely socialist/communist system is impossible because of one and very simple human emotion called greed. The only way such a system would work is if we were emotionless, or if robots took over almost every job eliminating the need for the general population to work.
Well, I'm slavic too and we we were kinda screwed good by USSR and communism
the Chinese are communist's and it works for them
Children can never be raised in a family because of one and very simple human emotion called greed. Children could only exist if we were emotionless, so I guess our species will quietly die out now.
Seriously though, there is a lot to humans, don't underestimate us. And insisting that our entire system be based on one single and pretty negative aspect of our characters, even if you think that aspect is immutable, is kinda sociopathic.
Fun and chill. Also, educating.
Excavating the links between different outgrowths of capitalism was very interesting and very well done. This was a great way to interact with the foundations of capitalism.
Say, I think this game could really really use some kind of detailed explanation sheet about the links between each issue. I find them tenuous at best, and it might be difficult to understand for people who aren't familiar with communist theory.
I....did this game just make me a communist? And make me like it!?
Amazing game either way i'm just having a bit of an existential crisis now xD
Great stuff--love the visible, interactive representation of the dialectic
This is as good as I got. Did anyone manage to create a complete utopia, or is it unattainable in the game?
A full utopia is possible! You just have to do the "right-click and drag" interaction on the little blocks coming off the side of the level. For example, you can connect the two nodes in the bottom left of the screen (time is managed in the name of efficiency + unpaid labour is fundamental for capitalism). I absolutely could have explained that mechanic better, haha.
Reminds me a bit of my game CityBuilder. Love the look and feel of your game!
But i think the tutorial could be a bit more clear it feels a bit confusing somehow, maybe cut it in a few separate pieces or direct the player a bit more?
I'm actually in need of feedback on my game so if you have time that would be great! And if you want me to share idea's and feedback about your game i would love to share anything i can come up with that might improves yours if your interested.
This is a nice comment section
Wonderful, a deep insight into benefitting all. Also a very clever and educational game. I found this piece as a highs school senior and now as I am due to graduate my first university degree, I still find myself returning here to relive this experience, to remind me of why I do what it is I do. Thank you.
Communism is great. This is a game that says that capitalism will necesarily create a bad life for us all and that the only solution is to abandon capitalist principles and embrace communist ones.
I'm sure people from Venezuela love socialism just as much as the people in the comments.
why all the dislike bombing in the comments
socialism seems great, until you realize that very few have the incentive to work hard since being lazy will get them just about all the same stuff as someone who works hard their whole life in a socialist society. the result? economic collapse due to everyone being lazy. so all you will accomplish with full socialism is making everyone live roughly the same, in poverty. like wise, if you go full capitalist, the rich and successful will just fill their wallets and again the common person will suffer. the solution? strike a balance. have capitalism but with socialist policys like universal healthcare and government paid collage for example. you dont want to go to far in either direction.
clearly the solution to capitalism being awful is to just make it more sustainable so it can be awful for longer! also today I learned humans never do anything productive unless it makes their life better than someone else's.
the problem with socialism is lack of incentive. you go socialist, people get lazy as why work hard if you get pretty much the same stuff as someone who works hard even if your lazy? the answer is you wont work hard. you will just sit back and let others do the work even if you dont realize it. that, or your children that are born into socialism will and so will their children and so on. except, everyone will be relying on everyone else to work hard and no one will be working hard so the economy would fall due to everyone being lazy. pretty soon, there wouldnt be much left. theres a famous quote that goes "capitalism is the worst economic system, except for all the others". capitalism may suck, but its better than everyone being really poor. theres another quote that explains what i was talking about earlier that goes: "socialism is great, until you run out of everyone else's money"
likewise, the problem with capitalism is that the rich just fill their wallets without regard for the average person.
the solution? a balance. in a perfect world, socialism or even communism would be great. but atlas, humans need incentive. maybe once we reach the "AI singularity" thats predicted to come in 40 years we can have socialism. until then, your stuck with a capitalism/socialism mix im afraid.
also, its not about making their life better than others necessarily. there just needs to be a reward for doing so or why bother? why bother researching and nerding out when you could have some quick fun on itch io instead of waiting 10 years for your nerdy hobbys to pay off? or doing your hobbys 24/7 and never do itch io? same reason socialism wont work: lazyness and/or a need for incentive/reward in a relatively short time period to do work. or at least to do more than the minimum
btw, sorry i took so long to respond. haven't been on in a while.
Socialism and communism are different things. Socialism isn't just "everyone has the same life and everything is owned by the state." And idk about you but I'm going into the field of genetics because I want to learn and I want to make a difference, not because I want to make money. If I cared more about money, I would be staying at my job and working my way upward, but instead I'm focusing on schooling, which is expensive and putting me in debt. Tell me again how the ability to go to school full time without having to work at an amusement park for minimum wage simply to survive would make me not want to pursue an education and career in my field?
Not everyone only cares about money. So if it weren't for capitalism, people like you could play on itch.io all day and people like me could actually achieve something without starving in the process. Just because your dreams revolve around money doesn't mean no one will ever do anything without money as a motivation.
Halo. Saya menulis dalam bahasa Indonesia karena sulit bagi saya mengungkapkan pikiran yang kompleks dalam bahasa Inggris yang bukan bahasa ibu saya.
Ada kesalahan pikir baik ketika Anda mendeskripsikan kapitalisme dan sosialisme. Umumnya Marxis ketika membicarakan kapitalisme, mereka membicarakan tentang mode produksi kapitalis, yaitu tentang pembagian kelas antara borjuasi dan buruh, eksploitasi nilai lebih, dan lain-lain. Anda di sisi lain berbicara tentang konstruksi ideologis atas kapitalisme; Anda berbicara bagaimana kapitalisme dipandang secara ideologis, seperti kapitalisme menciptakan insentif, kapitalisme membuat orang tidak malas, dan lain-lain. Kesalahan pikir Anda tentang kapitalisme kemudian terbawa pula dalam Anda mendeskripsikan sosialisme. Anda membicarakan segala sesuatu yang berkebalikan dengan konstruksi ideologis Anda atas kapitalisme dan mulai menyebutnya sebagai "sosialisme."
Kesalahan pikir Anda selanjutnya adalah ketika Anda berpikir bahwa sosialisme adalah kebalikan dari "kapitalisme" -- kapitalisme dalam pandangan ideologis borjuis Anda. Ini menunjukkan ketidakpahaman akan teori materialisme historis Marx yang didasarkan pada dialektika. Dan dialektika erat kaitannya dengan kontradiksi. Maka dari itu, saya sarankan (dan saya sangat berharap) Anda membaca "On Contradiction" karya Mao Tse-Tung sebagai permulaan. Saya tidak akan membicarakan dialektika di sini, tetapi saya akan meluruskan sejumlah kesalahan yang Anda buat.
Secara sederhana, sosialisme adalah tahapan yang lebih maju dari masyarakat ketika masyarakat telah mampu menyelesaikan kontradiksi-kontradisi yang ada pada tahapan kapitalisme. Dalam masyarakat kapitalis, ada sejumlah kontradiksi yang mendasar dan berikut adalah salah satunya (saya mengutip Mao di sini):
"When Marx applied this law to the study of the economic structure of capitalist society, he discovered that the basic contradiction of this society is the contradiction between the social character of production and the private character of ownership."
Kita menemukan dalam masyarakat kapitalis, segala barang yang diproduksi itu diproduksi secara bersama-sama oleh buruh, atau dengan kata lain, karakter produksi dari masyarakat kapitalis bersifat sosial. Tetapi, karakter kepemilikannya privat, atau dengan kata lain, pabrik-pabrik di mana buruh-buruh itu bekerja dimiliki oleh sekelompok orang saja. Karena pabrik-pabrik itu tidak dimiliki buruh, buruh hanya mendapat sangat sedikit atas hal-hal yang buruh itu sendiri produksi. Selain itu, ini juga menjadi sumber dari eksploitasi atas para buruh itu, yang dijelaskan dengan lengkap oleh Marx dalam Das Kapital. Kontradiksi ini akan diselesaikan dalam revolusi sosialis dengan mengubah karakter kepemilikan sarana produksi menjadi sosial, atau dengan kata lain, para buruh mengambil alih kepemilikan pabrik-pabrik dari para kapitalis, membebaskan diri mereka dari eksploitasi. Ini adalah contoh menarik bagaimana Marx menerapkan dialektika tuan-budak (master-slave dialectic) dalam pemikiran G.W.F. Hegel untuk dikaitkan dengan kerja dan eksploitasi dalam kapitalisme.
Masih ada banyak hal yang belum saya ungkapkan, seperti bagimana kapitalisme secara internal tidak dapat mengatasi masalah pengangguran (baca "Marxism vs Liberalisme", Stalin's talk with H.G. Wells), tetapi saya akan serahkan itu kepada Anda untuk Anda pelajari sendiri. Saya ingin menanggapi mengenai apa yang Anda sebut "incentive." Saya enggan menggunakan kata tersebut dan lebih suka menggunakan instilah lain seperti "motivation" karena kata incentive erat kaitannya dengan bangunan ideologis borjuis tentang kapitalisme. Anda juga berbicara tentang "kemalasan" yang berkembang di dalam sosialisme yang disebabkan oleh kesetaraan distribusi (equal distribution) atas barang-barang.
Apa yang memotivasi orang-orang dapat beragam, tetapi adalah benar dalam kapitalisme bahwa uang adalah salah satu hal yang memotivasi orang. Orang-orang ingin memiliki banyak uang karena dengannya mereka dapat berbelanja berbagai hal, membentuk apa yang kita sebut konsumerisme. Tetapi, itu di dalam kapitalisme. Di dalam sosialisme, sebuah budaya baru akan dibangun. Nilai-nilai lama akan ditinggalkan dan nilai-nilai baru akan muncul. Masyarakat akan berjalan dengan cara yang berbeda dari sebelumnya. Jika di dalam kapitalisme, eksploitasi dibenarkan, di dalam sosialisme, eksploitasi tidak akan dibenarkan. Maka dari itu, hidup dari kerja orang lain tidak dapat dibernarkan dalam sosialisme. Anda tidak bekerja tetapi menikmati hasil kerja orang lain adalah ciri-ciri kapitalis. Di dalam sosialisme, tidak ada kapitalis, maka setiap orang harus berkontribusi dan menikmati secara bersama apa yang diproduksi secara bersama. Kemalasan seringkali muncul karena seseorang dapat menikmati sesuatu tanpa bekerja untuk mendapatkannya. Karena dalam sosialisme tiap orang dituntut untuk bekerja atau berkontribusi dalam masyarakat, kemalasan yang Anda bicarakan tidak akan sebegitu menyebar dibanding kemalasan yang ada dan dibentuk oleh kapitalisme, seperti menghabiskan waktu untuk bermain game dan menonton film. Juga, saya pikir jauh lebih penting untuk menyikapi masalah-masalah yang sering disebut sebagai "kemalasan" yang sebenarnya adalah ketidakberdayaan.
Sekian uraian pendapat saya. Terima kasih.
all these butthurt marxist junkies thumbing you down because they don't have an argument to make
When you totally understand what socialism is
No, it's silly to assume that people would let society collapse under socialism. In your house, do you not clean your toilet because you don't have an incentive? Do you not clean because you don't have an incentive? Do you let your house fall appart around you because you don't have an incentive to fix it?
In a world where our choices do matter and where we can decide things collectively, once we get rid of the State and bosses and do direct democracy in the cities and in our workplaces, we will necesarily feel responsible for the well being of the whole. People will naturally do the minimum work required to reach the standard of living they want.
Just think about it: if the people are in control and get the entire fruit of their collective labor, if they feel too poor, they'll just work harder to be less poor. If they feel like they work too hard, they'll figure out ways to work less without making sacrifices. We just have to stop thinking that our decisions and actions don't matter and can't change a thing, like we've always been taught!
well, to be fair, socialism is that balance, what your talking about is communism, which is basically socialism gone bad
love this a lot. really great way to learn and understand the relationship between everything!
over time all your changes go away
Everyone gets a free baloon!
Awesome game bro! im about to read the communist manifesto by karl marx soon.
btw really smooth design, good music too!
I remember playing this in high school about two years ago now and to this day, I love this game. Its only taken me forever to finally create an account on Itch.io but i'm so glad to come back and say how amazing your work is, your concept absolutely resonates with me and this is very high on my recommendation list and i'll be sure to support you on Patreon!!!
A cool puzzle game, also educational
Lovely artwork. Smooth animation. Relaxing music. The political messages here actually remind me why I admire capitalism above all other systems we humans govern ourselves with.
It's a nice concept, but I don't feel connected to the world and my interactions with the world are quite limited.
I love this gameplay device to show the interconnected evils of capitalsim!
This is great. A simple way to teach these concepts, yet still sophisticated enough to show how there are multiple layers and everything is connected. Really shows how hard it is to make radical changes.
Also, very nice graphical style.
Communism: Sounds good, doesn't work
Stalin was like, the only communism right? I have researched Stalin and Groucho Marx and... Adam Smith was a communism right? And who is that Lenin guy anyways? Trotswhat?
This is such a cool concept, executed really neatly. It's hard to balance fun against learning new stuff/drawing connections in a clear way, but this does both! I really loved it!
Wonderful job, I would help you with money, but currently I am unemployed (yeah, capitalism).
I see that someone already translated this content to portuguese, so I also can't help you here unfortunately (I am brazilian), But I will show this game to all my marxists friends.
I would like to translate this game into French to use it as a tool in debates and discussions with other activists in my country. Would you help me out, Colestia?
That would be amazing! Do you mind sending me an email at firstname.lastname@example.org and we can work things out there?
Interesting piece. Guys, stop arguing about Soviet Union - most of you understand nothing about this country and why it collapsed. All of you don't understand why Stalin did what he did.
To those who love to mention 100 mil. deaths figure - how much people got killed because of greediness of market people? Let me remind you Iraq, Libya, Syria.
very nice because of the idealism, the game itself could be better tho
hey! so the game seems really cool and I'm excited to play it, but the right click button doesn't seem to work on Mac (I use control + click to right click.) Any tips on solving this? I'm playing blind here!!
A neat little game, not anything id like play more then once, as I am into this stuff. but its enjpyable
I want to translate this game to portuguese! I'm teacher and I want it for my classes! Can we work this out, Colestia?
Sure thing! Could you send me an email at email@example.com and we'll work something out?
I love the concept and music! This is a really cool game and I really enjoyed it.
Weird, I think the famines and gulags aren't functioning as intended.
Stalin was like, the only communism right? I have researched Stalin and Groucho Marx and... Adam Smith was a communism right? And who is that Lenin guy anyways? Trotswhat? I know a lot about commonusm!!!